TCG Forbidden/Limited List: Janurary 1st-March 31st 2014

http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/limited/

Sans Sacred Sword being hit (which I feel was a bit much with all the other DRuler hits) I'm pretty alright with this list.

So, anyone find it strange that this list is in effect for only 3 months? While the last one was for 4? Something smells fishy here...

Anyways, overall this is actually not a bad list at all. D-Ruler hits were justified, although I honestly didn't expect Dragon Ravine, and Return from DD makes my lolsy RFG deck sad. But glad, glad, glad to see them gone.
Sixth Sense had no chance, lol. Self-Destruct Button and Final Countdown I feel were nitpicky hits, but I guess in the tournament scene they were more annoying than in casual play. And I guess Wynn will be happy about Divine Wind of Mist Valley and M7 since they took a page out of the OCG list.
Something I'm not sure how I feel about currently is Magician of Faith. While it is a very strong card, they did take away most of its common targets last format. And unless you're playing Charmers/Ghostricks/Gustos/Morphing Jar.dek (which covers all the popular deck on here ), no one really uses Flip effects anymore. So I guess it's fine to come back.
Let's see... Prophecies got a hit, which may be overkill. Fire Fists/Bujins got a buff... lol what? Not sure if Tenki should've came back. I don't like Debris going to 1, but it's not the worst thing. And hey, Lonefire is at 2!!!! OH YEAH!!!!! XD Eria's Sylvans will be tier 0 lol
Everything else I'm actually cool with. And I actually predicted Tour Guide would come to 3 lol. Now it's just a matter of getting more.

If this list lasted longer than 3 months, I'd have been much happier. But I will say this is the very first list that has NOT disappointed me in any way.

I'm just happy that Lonefire is at 2. At 3 would be cool, but I think that won't be happening soon.
Also, Magician of Faith, I guess the old school MoF flip + Tsukuyomi can be performed again, but I think in current era that would be slow.

Ravine makes me laugh. Good move, Konami. And this is not a sarcasm. In the past I always hate that card.

Also, I'm glad Return from DD was banned. That card really is disgusting and too much plus and crazy field advantage, allow for heavy LP damage in one turn or even OTK easier. I'm glad you know this card need to be hit, Konami.

Overall, thumbs up for this list.

Eria wrote:

Also, I'm glad Return from DD was banned. That card really is disgusting and too much plus and crazy field advantage, allow for heavy LP damage in one turn or even OTK easier. I'm glad you know this card need to be hit, Konami.

But... but... Macro decks! Necroface! D: How will they ever survive????

Lol I know why this card was finally banned, but that doesn't mean I won't miss it.

Just unban Dimension Fusion already.

Set LP cost+allowing both players to SS makes it far less broken today imo.

Hippocampus wrote:

So, anyone find it strange that this list is in effect for only 3 months? While the last one was for 4? Something smells fishy here...

Both lists are/were for a period of about 3 months.

Granted last list was a bit shorter (starting 10/11 instead of 10/01), but that's likely just because of quarterly formats being a new thing.

Hippocampus wrote:

And unless you're playing Charmers/Ghostricks/Gustos/Morphing Jar.dek (which covers all the popular deck on here ), no one really uses Flip effects anymore. So I guess it's fine to come back.

Ghostricks aren't flip effects though, and the only flip Gusto I can remember off the top of my head is Kamui. Who's good but can easily be played without.

I mean I know what you're saying here, but there's a HUGE difference between a card having a flip effect and activating its effect when its flipped face up. It's small things like this that make cards like Snowman Eater so much better than something like Man-Eater Bug.

Eria wrote:

I'm just happy that Lonefire is at 2. At 3 would be cool, but I think that won't be happening soon.

They were going like CRAZY when I was buying cards I wanted to get extra copies of before potential price hikes happened.

Like I had to buy it from a UK seller crazy.

Eria wrote:

Also, Magician of Faith, I guess the old school MoF flip + Tsukuyomi can be performed again, but I think in current era that would be slow.

Only deck I can see that working, which I may actually try teching in for would be Ghostricks. But otherwise, yeah.

Eria wrote:

Also, Magician of Faith, I guess the old school MoF flip + Tsukuyomi can be performed again, but I think in current era that would be slow.

Actually, what they REALLY need to do next is unban Time Seal XD

ΛΔ wrote:

Both lists are/were for a period of about 3 months.

Granted last list was a bit shorter (starting 10/11 instead of 10/01), but that's likely just because of quarterly formats being a new thing.

I could've sworn the list started in September, but maybe that's just when we started talking about it on here lol

Also, I don't count adding Sixth Sense to the list as being a different list from the previous list so much as an emergency limit. So if Konami does think they really are different lists, then they have issues lol

ΛΔ wrote:

Only deck I can see that working, which I may actually try teching in for would be Ghostricks. But otherwise, yeah.

Do you actually tech Tsukuyomi in your Ghostrick deck? It's not a bad idea, but don't add it in if it doesn't fit.
But this is really a good idea though. Any deck that relies on a field spell can get a benefit if the field spell is reusable.

Does OCG not update til march?
And RAVINE!!!! NOOO!!!! I am a dragunity player.
And hippo I think the e dragons were hit to hard lol. I think they would have been fine at 2. Personally I thin hittig seven spell after limited the e dragon is just wierd lol.
And yes I got me a M7 back .
Magician of faith I am cool with back.

Wynn wrote:

Does OCG not update til march?

OCG already updated... it said there were no changes to implement from the last ban list XD

Wynn wrote:

And  RAVINE!!!! NOOO!!!! I am a dragunity player.
And hippo I think the e dragons were hit to hard lol. I think they would have been fine at 2. Personally I thin hittig seven spell after limited the e dragon is just wierd lol.

That's because you weren't a Dragunity player; you were a Dragunity Tempest player... of course you'd want E-Drags still around

Eria wrote:

Also, I'm glad Return from DD was banned. That card really is disgusting and too much plus and crazy field advantage, allow for heavy LP damage in one turn or even OTK easier. I'm glad you know this card need to be hit, Konami.

just yesterday, i'm watching a high-rating pool duel in DN, and this one side is winning!
..... only to have the opponent use Return from DD and summon all the Dragon Ruler, killing the infamous Gachi Gachi Gagetsu

some of the watcher, alongside me, laugh and say "my god! Return from DD kill Gatch! its so OP"

aaand now it got banned, i kept smiling like i'm psychotic when i check the list   

Hippocampus wrote:

I could've sworn the list started in September, but maybe that's just when we started talking about it on here lol

Also, I don't count adding Sixth Sense to the list as being a different list from the previous list so much as an emergency limit. So if Konami does think they really are different lists, then they have issues lol

Oh lol, I actually forgot about Sixth Sense somehow.

Though like I said, this probably has to just do with us moving to a quarterly format rather than a biyearly one. Since before the new formats started in September and March, but I guess with the new system Konami wanted to make the cutoff periods much cleaner for everyone, so they just decided to hold off the last format until the end of the year instead of starting in December.

ps, that wasn't really an emergency limit so much as just a regular limit that happened upon release.

pps, I find it funny that next format will start on April Fools

ppps, World's list should be even more interesting this year than usual imo

Hippocampus wrote:

ΛΔ wrote:

Only deck I can see that working, which I may actually try teching in for would be Ghostricks. But otherwise, yeah.

Do you actually tech Tsukuyomi in your Ghostrick deck? It's not a bad idea, but don't add it in if it doesn't fit.
But this is really a good idea though. Any deck that relies on a field spell can get a benefit if the field spell is reusable.

Ever since I sidelined in the Charmers, yeah.

Aside from being useful as a way to have more options to set my opponents cards, it also allows me to do plays such as Charmer steal monster > Tsukuyomi flip stolen monster.

Wynn wrote:

Does OCG not update til march?.

I believe so, official list should be out by February if I'm remembering right.

Wynn wrote:

And hippo I think the e dragons were hit to hard lol. I think they would have been fine at 2.

Sorry, but no. All that would've happened then most likely would be that we'd of then gotten a Dragunity Ruler format or something.

Wynn wrote:

Personally I thin hittig seven spell after limited the e dragon is just wierd lol.

I think it was likely to prevent Mermails from just coming around as rank7spam.dek.

Which if its true, then they honestly should've just hit Mermails as well instead of it. lol

Hippocampus wrote:

Wynn wrote:

Does OCG not update til march?

OCG already updated... it said there were no changes to implement from the last ban list XD

Wynn wrote:

And  RAVINE!!!! NOOO!!!! I am a dragunity player.
And hippo I think the e dragons were hit to hard lol. I think they would have been fine at 2. Personally I thin hittig seven spell after limited the e dragon is just wierd lol.

That's because you weren't a Dragunity player; you were a Dragunity Tempest player... of course you'd want E-Drags still around

=_=
No, just no. My dragunity deck has a name and it is "Griffen Turbo" losing access to 3 tempist I consider, no real loss.

ΛΔ wrote:

ppps, World's list should be even more interesting this year than usual imo

Oh, you think that in March/April the OCG and TCG lists will be the same again?

ΛΔ wrote:

Ever since I sidelined in the Charmers, yeah.

Aside from being useful as a way to have more options to set my opponents cards, it also allows me to do plays such as Charmer steal monster > Tsukuyomi flip stolen monster.

That is actually really evil... kinda makes me want to build this now lol. Maybe this + MoF and Dragon Rulers (hopefully) dead means Ghostrick Charmers will actually be competitive

ΛΔ wrote:

Wynn wrote:

And hippo I think the e dragons were hit to hard lol. I think they would have been fine at 2.

Sorry, but no. All that would've happened then most likely would be that we'd of then gotten a Dragunity Ruler format or something.

I feel that, in general, semi-limited is a strange place for a card to be. It's kinda hard to tell if a card is not consistent at 2 compared to at 3, and I think it should be more reserved for cards that are too strong with more than 2 copies per deck (like Reborn Tengu in March 2011 format). Having the Dragon Rulers at 2, because they're still searchable, probably wouldn't change their consistency, since all you need is for one to search the other and you've nullified their cost.

ΛΔ wrote:

Wynn wrote:

Personally I thin hittig seven spell after limited the e dragon is just wierd lol.

I think it was likely to prevent Mermails from just coming around as rank7spam.dek.

Which if its true, then they honestly should've just hit Mermails as well instead of it. lol

Agreed!

Wynn wrote:

=_=
No, just no. My dragunity deck has a name and it is "Griffen Turbo" losing access to 3 tempist I consider, no real loss.

I would make a comment about how I can attempt to beat you now with my Dragunity deck, but then I remembered I run Ravine in that too

Hippocampus wrote:

ΛΔ wrote:

ppps, World's list should be even more interesting this year than usual imo

Oh, you think that in March/April the OCG and TCG lists will be the same again?

World's as in World Championship's.

Hippocampus wrote:

ΛΔ wrote:

Ever since I sidelined in the Charmers, yeah.

Aside from being useful as a way to have more options to set my opponents cards, it also allows me to do plays such as Charmer steal monster > Tsukuyomi flip stolen monster.

That is actually really evil... kinda makes me want to build this now lol. Maybe this + MoF and Dragon Rulers (hopefully) dead means Ghostrick Charmers will actually be competitive

Much as I love the archetype, I'd be pretty amazed if that happened.

Maybe Zombie Ghostricks, MAYBE.

I cannot wait to play this next format.

ΛΔ wrote:

World's as in World Championship's.

That was my question, actually. Did they ever say which list is going to be used in World Championship's, OCG or TCG?

ΛΔ wrote:

Much as I love the archetype, I'd be pretty amazed if that happened.

Maybe Zombie Ghostricks, MAYBE.

You should take Ghostrick Charmers to regionals mate

well, IMO, this banlist is weird, just not too rational except for the limiting each DR. well, when my mate play an after-banlist-DR-with-mythicdragons, i feel, wow. this deck is still alive? ravine? ok, i ever hate this card because can perform an OTK, but, with 0 is too overkill. konami TCG sure know how to kill you, wasting-money duelist. lol. not to sarcasm, but IMO

RFDD? dunno since i ever killed by this card, but, not an OTK. so no problem.

now, with fate only 1, huh, what i hope is judgement at 1 too. why? i just wonder how prophecy get a top on a tournament

maybe that's all. what positive side that i can see is, we can make a creative deck. no meta, all is same

Garaito wrote:

RFDD? dunno since i ever killed by this card, but, not an OTK. so no problem.

RFDD was hit mainly because of Dragon Rulers. Since they banished themselves like crazy, it basically allowed you to summon 4-5 2600 beaters for free, then return them to your hand at the end phase. Also probably in the same vein how last format they hit Dimensional Fissure and Macro Cosmos... they want RFG to be something that doesn't happen very often in duels. I mean I'm disappointed too, but it was justified.

Garaito wrote:

now, with fate only 1, huh, what i hope is judgement at 1 too. why? i just wonder how prophecy get a top on a tournament

Prophecies are still good without Judgment and only 1 Fate. Maybe not tier 0 or 1, but they still have access to 3 Master, Secrets, Power, Star Hall, and Spellbook Tower, and none of their monsters were hit. They also have a bit of liberty in their engine being splashed in hybrid decks (like Wynn's Exodia deck that destroyed me -__-), so I don't think they'll fall out of favor just yet.

Garaito wrote:

maybe that's all. what positive side that i can see is, we can make a creative deck. no meta, all is same

Yep! And that's really what makes this game fun

Hippocampus wrote:

ΛΔ wrote:

World's as in World Championship's.

That was my question, actually. Did they ever say which list is going to be used in World Championship's, OCG or TCG?

Worlds list is always different from any currently established list. Like hugely different.

Hippocampus wrote:

ΛΔ wrote:

Much as I love the archetype, I'd be pretty amazed if that happened.

Maybe Zombie Ghostricks, MAYBE.

You should take Ghostrick Charmers to regionals mate

I'd be amazed if there even was any sort of Konami sanctioned tourney within any reasonable distance where I am.

Though even if there was, I'd be more inclined to bring one of my Gusto builds to it. Just because

a) have played the deck for so long that I've basically come to know how the cards all work with each other inside and out to the point where most thought process is directed at "What play would be best?" instead of "What all can this card do in this situation?"

b) already have most cards needed for it... SAVE MONEY

c) R5 Gustos, Griffin swarm is so gud. PsyGustos, Naturia lockdown is so gud.

d) more versatile

e) So if new Gusto support ever makes them meta relevant, I can legitimately say I used Gustos before they were popular and call everyone else a bunch of posers/sheep.

etc