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I wonder if this Shadoll is some kind of new virus, just like Verz... I have yet to see other characters who got corrupted and become Shadoll. This is only one card, and a fusion. We might see others.


Whatever it is, it's sure a great loss. Wynnda become a shadow doll and she doesn't survive war. Even Konami could break the cutie too. But well, sooner or later we might find out about these Shadoll things from Master Guide. That's if Konami is generous.


Alright Shadoll, you got my attention.

by the way, from the same link above....


‘Major Rule Changes Coming TO THE OCG:

The player going first cannot draw on the first turn!

Both players can both have a Field Spell Card on the field, simultaneously!

The text for Official Card Game cards will be made easier to read!

EDIT: You can note that the cards from the new Starter Deck have their effects numbered.

These new rules take effect for the Official Card Game starting March 21st, 2013, when the Starter Deck comes out!

Wonder it'll be implemented in TCG soon? Not drawing a card on your first turn is a big thing. It's a good change, because right now, the player who goes first always have advantage more than player that goes second.

Kirikaze Fuuma wrote:

This just in.





I know this is a new archetype but... what in the blue world is happening to Wynnda here?!

She almost looks mecha, so does the dragon she's riding. This is really weird. That staff looks pretty sick though.

Eria wrote:

Elshadoll Midrage
Dark Spellcaster / Fusion / Effect
LV5 2200/800
1 “Shadoll” monster + 1 DARK monsters
Must be Fusion Summoned and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. Cannot be destroyed by your opponent’s card effects. While this card is in your Monster Card Zone, neither player can Special Summon more than 1 monster per turn. If this card is sent to the Graveyard: You can target 1 “Shadoll” Spell/Trap Card in your Graveyard; add that card to your hand.

This is actually a really powerful effect. If they only released more about what the Shadolls could do, we could assess how important their Spell/Traps are. Either way, I do think it's interesting that her level, ATK, and DEF are the same as Daigusto Gulldos's. Anyone else catch that?

Eria wrote:

by the way, from the same link above....


‘Major Rule Changes Coming TO THE OCG:

The player going first cannot draw on the first turn!

Both players can both have a Field Spell Card on the field, simultaneously!

The text for Official Card Game cards will be made easier to read!

EDIT: You can note that the cards from the new Starter Deck have their effects numbered.

These new rules take effect for the Official Card Game starting March 21st, 2013, when the Starter Deck comes out!

Wonder it'll be implemented in TCG soon? Not drawing a card on your first turn is a big thing. It's a good change, because right now, the player who goes first always have advantage more than player that goes second.

I've seen some discussion about how to "balance" the first turn advantage, and this was one of the more proposed reasons. Honestly, I think the only way to really balance it would be to limit the number of Special Summons per turn. There is just too much Special Summoning in the game right now, and it's the main reason why the first player has so much advantage anyway. Having/not having a sixth card isn't the best way to do this unfortunately.

I however am much more concerned about the field spell thing. This means that if your opponent plays a field spell, yours doesn't go away? This really gives archetypes like Dark World an upper hand, and overall just discourages player interaction. What's worse is that they'll more than likely keep making one-sided field cards. Bad move, Konami

The numbers on the effects thing is sorta strange too, but I can see it as more of a help to newbies. This change will probably come to the TCG very soon.

As for the other individual cards, I do fancy that Ritual monster. That's the kind of cards I'd like to see more of. Also Tenseiryuu Samsara may become a Level 5 extra staple lol.

been discussing that Shadoll stuff with my friend, and if anything, this is my current theory:

Shadoll is actually a being from the future, which is made from "Hero of Duel Terminal", by a genius that's controlled by an evil being(another Hercules deed?), and have merge all concept of the "hero" into a controlled mech of destruction, which is sent to the past to destroy the universe and resurrect the death of Evilswarm and engulf the world into darkness

the new Ritual card could be a purified Sophia, who had open her eyes and accept how Duel Terminal is and would leave it be, fighting the intruder called Shadoll.

and if you ask me "why a killing mech from the future???"

becuz it fits the role of Villain in DT

I mean, the first one is Alien(Worm)
the second one is Evil Deity(Fabled)
the third is Demon from the Deep(Steelswarm)
and the last one is Zombie-fied ally(Evilswarm)

I mean, Killing Mech from the Future is pretty much one of the Horror classic that pretty much all DT Villain has

ally of justice catastor wrote:

the new Ritual card could be a purified Sophia, who had open her eyes and accept how Duel Terminal is and would leave it be, fighting the intruder called Shadoll.

I actually like this theory.

Sophia's original attribute is Dark. This new ritual is Light. And this ritual monster's art reminds me about Sophia especially the head part. Also "Sophia" is just another word of "Baphomet" in different language (hence, you see her head looks like Baphomet), which is known as a devil. Maybe that's why Kerykeion and Sombres defeats her, to purify her. (on an unrelated note, Sophia being a Baphomet that means Wynnda or Gusto tribe actually worships devil... No wonder Wynnda's pray in her shrine actually lead the situation to be worse: Sophia wants to destroy the DT world. lol )

I have been thinking, in the art of Breath of the Valiant (Sacred Serpent's Wake), this "Valiant", or "Sacred Serpent", is actually refer to Safira, this new ritual monster. We also see Emilia and Avance in the art of Sacred Serpent's Wake, so it probably some kind of hint if Emilia and Avance now can use different kind of ritual art, which probably summoned Safira. There might be more hint after Safira's ritual spell released.

Anyway, if any of you guys want to discuss about this further, please create a new thread in Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards Story section. Not because discussing about this in this thread is OOT, but because it'll be nicer if we have this kind of story discussion in it's proper place.

Whoa, my random word suddenly does this O.o

Beside the Shadoll, I actually write them up in impulse about Sophia, mainly because of my plot bunny

Well, we should, I would love to see someone's take on Shadoll

Well, for those of you who thought Blue-Eyes was the only old card getting support around here... guess again.

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Magician_of_Illusions

Now we can say we can use Dark Magician decks, finally! Now if only there was some way to include Dark Magician GIRL.... ;P

Clearer Wynnda pic:

Hippocampus wrote:

Now we can say we can use Dark Magician decks, finally! Now if only there was some way to include Dark Magician GIRL.... ;P

could do that, since it let us use "Rank 6 Spellcaster-type XYZ", which means that Magi*Magi Girl, which is pretty much a redecorated Black Magician Girl, is useable for this card

Eria wrote:

Clearer Wynnda pic:

Is it just me, or is the mecha dragon thing she's riding looking in a different direction on that poster compared to the original card art? Does that mean we'll get an alternate art of her?

Now this makes me wonder if that's a real Wynnda or not. Everything from her is like a doll, even hair.


But well, that's YGO. World filled with strange magics. Still, breaking Wynnda and turning her like this... probably YGO has become so dark this time.

Wynndoll reminds me of Aigis (Persona 3)

Though really, she gets a goofy dragon pet. This is probably the best thing that could happen given the circumstances.

I mean who wouldn't want to get a goofy dragon pet?

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Tortoise_Summoner

It looks like they are doing something unusual with the FLIP effect clause... treating it as a monster subtype? Can anyone confirm this?

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Breaker_the_Dark_Magical_Warrior

Breaker got an upgraded form, complete with pendulum summoning. It's pretty good too.

Well, from that new Breaker, it seems like they wanted to balance Pendullum Summon monsters with low attack and defense, but at least they could target some monster like Neos and Black Magician.....

Wait, that mean.....
We could do a Contract Fusion easily now, since Neos could be pendullum summon target!

ally of justice catastor wrote:

Well, from that new Breaker, it seems like they wanted to balance Pendullum Summon monsters with low attack and defense

Irrelevant, since technically any monster can be Pendulum Summoned from your hand. Also, read again its effect, it gets 3 Spell Counters when Pendulum Summoned, and will have additional ATK 400 X 3, that means it will have a whooping 2800 ATK when Pendulum Summoned. If you remove a Spell Counter to destroy a card, then it'll have at least 2400 ATK during the turn it's Pendulum Summoned.

Eria wrote:

ally of justice catastor wrote:

Well, from that new Breaker, it seems like they wanted to balance Pendullum Summon monsters with low attack and defense

Irrelevant, since technically any monster can be Pendulum Summoned from your hand. Also, read again its effect, it gets 3 Spell Counters when Pendulum Summoned, and will have additional ATK 400 X 3, that means it will have a whooping 2800 ATK when Pendulum Summoned. If you remove a Spell Counter to destroy a card, then it'll have at least 2400 ATK during the turn it's Pendulum Summoned.

well, I didn't see that +400 for each Spell Counter on it when I check that card, and it seems like a good card in old deck

http://www.ygorganization.com/mar2014vj/

Some random cards, some Hippo cards, new monster type Genryuu/Phantom Dragon (yes it's new type, not archetype. Seriously Konami, why they can't just be Dragon type, you're just fueling your dragon fetish!), and moar Shadolls.

Falco revealed to be a Shadoll with Dark attribute and it has Spellcaster type. There's one more Elshadoll with Light attribute that resembles Northwemko, but not sure if it's her.

The spell that summons Hippo token is hilarious. Seeing this card will remind me of one of our mod Hippocampus since the token used his nick as its name.

also Dark Strike Fighter got retconned for the better

I like the Shadoll fusion spell. It's (at least to me) kinda a really good balance of making fusion mechanics more friendly with the current game state but also not being too stupid.



and that's kinda all I really looked at, since until Konami decides to actually fully reveal and explain pendulum mechanics and how they'll work in conjunction with other things my interest in this set is basically nonexistent and just feels like a waste of time to even bother with.

I need to know your stupid new mechanics in full detail before i start planning to use any of your new cards. This is literal core interest for any new cards ever released as my first thought is always "How can I use this in conjunction with premade cards?" and/or "How can I make this work with other new cards in the same set?", and until we get actual explanations I just can't bring myself to care at all.

Wait, what? There's a new list? With an errata to nerf a card? WHAT IS TH-

...Oh, it's OCG. Nvm.

Still, it's a pretty random list. Torrential Tribute at 3 is kinda... daunting.


As for new cards, silly dragons are silly, and no one cares. Those hippos look kinda queer actually  Discover Hippo's effect is just typical lols, but I honestly don't see how Hippo Carnival is better than Scapegoat. mc's right about the Shadoll Fusion being balanced, even though the pic just looks straight-up copied from Gem-Knight Fusion. Falcon resembles a Gusto bird, but its effect activates on flipping face-up, so maybe there could be a Shadoll-Ghostrick hybrid deck?

Then there's Supply Unit. OMG that is a nice effect! Draw 1 every time a monster of yours is destroyed? This is like, constant card advantage! I would say they're actually trying to balance the game here, except they didn't specify that this effect specifically applies to destruction by your OPPONENT'S card. So inb4 OTKs, broken combos, and Supply Unit becomes limited and a staple.

Also can I mention how Dark Magician Girl the Dragon Knight actually looks pretty damn sexy in that pose XD

ΛΔ wrote:

and that's kinda all I really looked at, since until Konami decides to actually fully reveal and explain pendulum mechanics and how they'll work in conjunction with other things my interest in this set is basically nonexistent and just feels like a waste of time to even bother with.

I need to know your stupid new mechanics in full detail before i start planning to use any of your new cards. This is literal core interest for any new cards ever released as my first thought is always "How can I use this in conjunction with premade cards?" and/or "How can I make this work with other new cards in the same set?", and until we get actual explanations I just can't bring myself to care at all.

Well they already explained how Pendulum mechanics worked, but even after that no one still seems to understand how to implement them in-game lol. Thankfully though it looks like not everyone's deck HAS to include them to keep up with the meta, unlike Xyz. This I would think is evident by all the new archetypes like Shadoll who don't have any Pendulum monsters atm.

All we know last I checked is when in pendulum zones they can only be removed via s/t removal and you can special summon monsters of ranging levels depending on the printed number range or whatever when 2 are out in said zones. Oh, and pendulum monsters when destroyed go to the extra deck or something silly.

There's still far too many technical questions that need answering to me.

So you know how the OCG is getting that HERO structure deck? Well, guess what we're getting -_-

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Realm_of_Light_Structure_Deck

And for the record, the boss is a dragon. Hoop dreams, coach.

We're getting more Lightsworn support???
I think Judgy and Micheal is enough already, they don't need more support damn it!
The one that need support are Chaos Dragon!!!

You do realize this is just probably gonna be Konami's way of releasing the OCG's new Lightsworn support to the TCG, right?

We'll still get the HERO structure deck later down the line, like nearly every other Structure Deck the OCG has gotten. This is just akin to the Marik or Six Samurai structure decks that came before it.

ally of justice catastor wrote:

The one that need support are Chaos Dragon!!!

Umm, no. Thanks, try again.

ΛΔ wrote:

You do realize this is just probably gonna be Konami's way of releasing the OCG's new Lightsworn support to the TCG, right?

We'll still get the HERO structure deck later down the line, like nearly every other Structure Deck the OCG has gotten. This is just akin to the Marik or Six Samurai structure decks that came before it.

Yeah, that's true, but OCG-imports have worked fine in the past too. It's just interesting why they chose to do this instead of releasing the HERO deck a bit earlier.

Konami knows Lightsworns will sell and that a good portion of people not just buying for collection's sake will probably get 2, if not 3 copies of the deck. Plus its good for promotion with also rereleasing the cards again with the new PSCT. (on that note, Judgment Dragon already has a confirmed reprint as well)

None of this is "interesting". Especially when the former option is both beneficial from a business standpoint as well as to the players who want to run this deck, and the latter option is something that has never nor probably ever will happen for reasons that at this point seem painfully obvious to me.