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ally of justice catastor Junior Charmer
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| Subject: Flame and Frost Dragon xyz deck(Ice barrier + Flamvell) Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:25 am | |
| a deck I've test-play in DN, and man, this deck is quite fun, try it
Monster: Flamvell Firedog x 3 Flamvell Grunika x 3 Neo Flamvell Shaman x 3 Dance Princess of Ice Barrier x 2 Samurai of Ice Barrier x 2 Sacred Spirit of Ice Barrier x 2 Spellbreaker of Ice Barrier x 2 Flame and Frost Dragon(main card) x 3
Spell: Medallion of ice barrier x 2 Rekindling x 2 Circle of the Fire King x 2 Night Beam x 2
Trap: Kickfire x 2 Spiritual Water Art Aoi x 3 Spiritual Fire Art Kurenai x 2 Aquamirror Cycle x 2
xyz: Abyss Dweller x 2 Wind-up Zenmaines x 2 Number 101: Silent Horror Ark x 2 Number 32: Shark Drake Lavalval Ignis x 3 Lavalval Chain x 2 Gagagigo the Risen x 1(because Gagagigo is baddass)
if you're gonna ask me why i use Samurai, its simple, he is used to fill Monster Card that could be combo-ed well with this deck. his ability to destroy itself to draw one card and fuel the graveyard for Flame and Frost Dragon is quite useful
Lavalval chain is good to fill grave with monster or to search Flame and Frost for next turn usage
overall, this deck is a fun build from my curiosity on combo-ing two different card, and its a pretty fun deck, try them if you can :3 | |
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Character sheet Name: Theodore Tsakiris HP: (500/500) MP: (200/200)
| Subject: Re: Flame and Frost Dragon xyz deck(Ice barrier + Flamvell) Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:32 am | |
| Very nice concept! I do see a lot of strategies you use in here. My only concern is that you really don't have much protection against more powerful monster attacks or card effects, and as such your monsters can deplete very quickly. Yeah, the Spiritual Arts are nice cards, and your Ice Barrier monster effects are good, but you have to constantly waste resources to pull them off, which may end up hurting you in the long run. Even your star monster requires to continuously discard monsters, and aside from Aquamirror Cycle, I don't really see much of a way to get them back fast enough. Maybe bump up Medallion to 3? And have you thought about Blizzed over Samurai? Gives you targets for a possible Salvage tech.
Also, don't be afraid of adding some staples in here like Mirror Force, Compulsory, or Bottomless to back up your monsters. Kickfire honestly doesn't seem that great of a card, and DEFINITELY -1 Kurenai. And swap out those Night Beams for MSTs, unless I'm seriously missing something there.
I do think it's clever that, while Flamvell and Ice Barrier are both archetypes that were meant for Synchro summoning, you've included no Synchros in here XD As for the Xyz you run... there are certainly better choices. First of all, Ignis is not that good... run only 1 if you like him; otherwise run 0. Abyss Dweller, Silent Horror Ark, and Zenmaines likewise can be reduced to 1 each. Why do I suggest this? Because you're missing valuable cards like Leviair, who combos GREAT with your deck, Utopia and Maestroke, who are excellent defenders, Daigusto Emeral, who is just as much of a staple as Lavalval Chain, and Number 20: Giga-Brilliant, who works well with your Flamvell monsters. Just some thoughts of mine, though. | |
| | | ally of justice catastor Junior Charmer
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| Subject: Re: Flame and Frost Dragon xyz deck(Ice barrier + Flamvell) Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:36 am | |
| night beam is used because of its usefulness, but yes, MST's more flexible, might work well
blizzed is not that hard hitter, and seriously, samurai could put some help on building grave in the most unpredictable time so ya could summon Frost and Flame, but you could still hit hard
maybe some burial could help, along with card that return card from banish to grave, but dunno
i once tries to put neo flamvell instead with some synchros, but well...... it... didn't went well.... and since most card that i use is not tuner, why bother right?
also, i tries to make the deck full of fire and water monster so i could put more card to banish VIA Frost and Flame, and abyss dweller could boost Frost and Flame in term of attack and protect him i actually used to put Nightmare Shark instead of Ignis, think I'll go back to him
giga-brilliant could't help much, since he's not a fire or water monster and it use level 3, which i only have Neo Flamvell Shaman, and i think Zenmaines is better card, and Abyss Dweller have put Giga's effect while he's up on the field btw
Emeral will hurt my grave. sure, it'll help adding my deck so i don't DO, but the fact that the grave will be pretty empty with all the xyz and banish will make him not that good
i used to put more fire xyz, but since most of them are archetype-only or can't be used like "infernal flame vixen", which need pyro to work even if it help my deck so much, so i just bite the tale and stay calm, through Grenosaur might be used with his burn effect and high attack
i'll just add more evacuation while throwing Kickfire away and add some flamvell counter as well i guess, but return might help some xyz and to fill the graveyard again, foolish burial might also add grave
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| Subject: Re: Flame and Frost Dragon xyz deck(Ice barrier + Flamvell) Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:24 pm | |
| - ally of justice catastor wrote:
- i once tries to put neo flamvell instead with some synchros, but well......
it... didn't went well.... and since most card that i use is not tuner, why bother right? Haha, true, but I didn't mean you should put them in your deck. I just meant that traditionally, Flamvell and Ice Barrier archetypes are known for Synchroing (Uruquizas, Ancient Flamvell Deity, Brionac, Dewloren, Gungnir, etc.). The fact that you use them differently is what I think is cool. - ally of justice catastor wrote:
- also, i tries to make the deck full of fire and water monster so i could put more card to banish VIA Frost and Flame, and abyss dweller could boost Frost and Flame in term of attack and protect him
i actually used to put Nightmare Shark instead of Ignis, think I'll go back to him I don't disagree, but that doesn't mean ALL your Extra needs to be Fire and Water too. I honestly don't think you need to worry about having a few non-Fire/Water Xyz monsters you use as techs, since you have so many Fire/Water monsters in the main deck. Ehhh, Nightmare Shark is okay... Honestly if you REALLY wanted another Water monster, I'd pick Submersible Aero Shark over that one. - ally of justice catastor wrote:
- Emeral will hurt my grave.
sure, it'll help adding my deck so i don't DO, but the fact that the grave will be pretty empty with all the xyz and banish will make him not that good Not decking out is not the reason why I suggested Emeral. Putting the Frost and Flame Dragons back in the deck is a good tactic because, once they're sent to the Graveyard, they can't be played again. Also you can return Ice Barrier monsters back to the deck to fetch them with Medallion, or Flamvell monsters back to the deck to summon again with Firedog's effect. And don't forget, Emeral makes you draw as well, which your deck needs. - ally of justice catastor wrote:
- i used to put more fire xyz, but since most of them are archetype-only or can't be used like "infernal flame vixen", which need pyro to work even if it help my deck so much, so i just bite the tale and stay calm, through Grenosaur might be used with his burn effect and high attack
No. I'm sorry, but please DON'T put Grenosaurus in your deck. It is bad plus you said you had enough Rank 3s I thought? lol - ally of justice catastor wrote:
- i'll just add more evacuation while throwing Kickfire away and add some flamvell counter as well i guess, but return might help some xyz and to fill the graveyard again, foolish burial might also add grave
Yeah, this is a good idea. Flamvell Counter and Foolish Burial are good cards; can't believe I forgot about them. | |
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| Subject: Re: Flame and Frost Dragon xyz deck(Ice barrier + Flamvell) Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:11 pm | |
| If you're not strictly using ice barrier and flamvell then one thing you can consider using is hydrogedon and jurrac guaiba to go for easy laggias. If you use hydrogedon, then thats enough material for a frost flame already. To support this I use all the fast attack increasing cards I know (forbidden lance, ego boost, shrink) The only problem I find with this deck is that I don't actually win by getting frost flame, I win because people don't like seeing laggia lol
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